In this episode, Jason sits down with Billy for one of the most direct conversations we’ve had on ShedLifeNZ.

They get into the New Zealand political landscape, Māori leadership, the elite of NZ, culture, identity, cost of living, and how they believe this country could do better. It is an honest chat that a lot of Kiwis will relate to.

Some parts are uncomfortable, some parts are challenging, but that is exactly why conversations like this matter. Agree or disagree, Billy brings a perspective that will get people talking.